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		<title>By: why I won't work for free &#124; get real sales coach for wedding industry :: saundra hadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>why I won't work for free &#124; get real sales coach for wedding industry :: saundra hadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 20:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blog entry will not be much of me talking to you as I&#8217;ve already covered this issue before, instead highlighting two wedding professionals who really hit the nail on the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Do You Pay For What You Get In Wedding Planning? &#187; nycwedplanner: New York City Wedding Planner&#039;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Do You Pay For What You Get In Wedding Planning? &#187; nycwedplanner: New York City Wedding Planner&#039;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 02:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a planner and marketing / sales guru wrote two posts earlier this week regarding pricing {see here &amp; here} and its sparked a big debate in the social media world {just check out her comments}. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Susan Hydzik</title>
		<link>http://saundrahadley.com/2010/04/27/it-sucks-when-you-grossly-undercharge/comment-page-1/#comment-555</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Hydzik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always feel sorry for brides and grooms on a budget, but recently have realized that I actually feel more sorry for myself, working an 80 hour work week and being paid for maybe 40.  I appreciate what you have written and agree with it all the way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always feel sorry for brides and grooms on a budget, but recently have realized that I actually feel more sorry for myself, working an 80 hour work week and being paid for maybe 40.  I appreciate what you have written and agree with it all the way!</p>
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		<title>By: saundra</title>
		<link>http://saundrahadley.com/2010/04/27/it-sucks-when-you-grossly-undercharge/comment-page-1/#comment-443</link>
		<dc:creator>saundra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Samantha, for your well wishes. I&#039;ll be sure to pass that along to my family.

I am not in favor or overcharging anyone, that will surely not help your business at all.  That wasn&#039;t the point of this blog post. Let me rephrase in a way that you may identify with better. Let&#039;s say you&#039;ve worked at your job (customer service representative) for 7 years. You have grown your customer base, you are well known for your expertise, enthusiasm and commitment to serving both your internal and external customers. You are paid $20.00 an hour. 

Lo and behold, someone else comes along that is fresh out of college, no career experience but very enthusiastic and earnest. This person tells your human resources that she will do YOUR job; just as well, have more commitment and will serve your customers better, for only $12.00 an hour.

You are fired and the new recruit is hired. 

This is what we face, as any industry. It&#039;s fair market trade and value. However, if you are self employed there are so many more expenses to consider than when you just show up at a job from 8-5. 

THAT was the point  and the being a vendor-to-vendor blog, understood by many. Good luck with your destination wedding I wish you all the happiness on your big day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Samantha, for your well wishes. I&#8217;ll be sure to pass that along to my family.</p>
<p>I am not in favor or overcharging anyone, that will surely not help your business at all.  That wasn&#8217;t the point of this blog post. Let me rephrase in a way that you may identify with better. Let&#8217;s say you&#8217;ve worked at your job (customer service representative) for 7 years. You have grown your customer base, you are well known for your expertise, enthusiasm and commitment to serving both your internal and external customers. You are paid $20.00 an hour. </p>
<p>Lo and behold, someone else comes along that is fresh out of college, no career experience but very enthusiastic and earnest. This person tells your human resources that she will do YOUR job; just as well, have more commitment and will serve your customers better, for only $12.00 an hour.</p>
<p>You are fired and the new recruit is hired. </p>
<p>This is what we face, as any industry. It&#8217;s fair market trade and value. However, if you are self employed there are so many more expenses to consider than when you just show up at a job from 8-5. </p>
<p>THAT was the point  and the being a vendor-to-vendor blog, understood by many. Good luck with your destination wedding I wish you all the happiness on your big day.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 03:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a bride who just committed to an amazing island destination wedding that is fractions of the cost of the wedding industry vendor&#039;s collusion, I have nothing to add to your &quot;mantra.&quot;

Just keep it up and you will have less and less clients. 

Even the wealthy fathers and banker fiances know the &quot;true value&quot; of a replicated filet mignon, a key chain, or flowers used for 4 hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a bride who just committed to an amazing island destination wedding that is fractions of the cost of the wedding industry vendor&#8217;s collusion, I have nothing to add to your &#8220;mantra.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just keep it up and you will have less and less clients. </p>
<p>Even the wealthy fathers and banker fiances know the &#8220;true value&#8221; of a replicated filet mignon, a key chain, or flowers used for 4 hours.</p>
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		<title>By: saundra</title>
		<link>http://saundrahadley.com/2010/04/27/it-sucks-when-you-grossly-undercharge/comment-page-1/#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>saundra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 16:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebrina, glad to have you in the conversation. Congratulations on living life mostly on a cash basis, that is incredibly commendable and as you begin your married life, you&#039;ll be better for it. I actually have never had a car payment and still, do not.

My observations:

If I may be so bold, when I read your justifications on your pricing, it seems you are still thinking of yourself as an employee, with &quot;ceiling&quot; to your earnings. Some of the biggest reasons people become entrepreneurs is to break away and achieve their desired goals. These goals may include freedom of expression, flexible schedule (although any full time entrepreneur knows that you will work longer hours and harder to make your business successful. It&#039;s just more rewarding) and to make money.

There is nothing wrong with making a profit in your business. Making a profit is NOT price gouging. You have at least given it some serious thought as to what you are making. I hope you are remembering to include hours that you meet with the bride for consults, revisions to the photos after you deliver, money saved for emergencies: camera breaking, insurance, etc. 

The wedding industry is changing, but some things will remain constant. For instance, we will always have a low, medium and high price range for consumers, just like any other industry. The truth is the low to medium is the bread and butter of this industry....the higher end market is such a finite niche that MOST of us do not tap into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebrina, glad to have you in the conversation. Congratulations on living life mostly on a cash basis, that is incredibly commendable and as you begin your married life, you&#8217;ll be better for it. I actually have never had a car payment and still, do not.</p>
<p>My observations:</p>
<p>If I may be so bold, when I read your justifications on your pricing, it seems you are still thinking of yourself as an employee, with &#8220;ceiling&#8221; to your earnings. Some of the biggest reasons people become entrepreneurs is to break away and achieve their desired goals. These goals may include freedom of expression, flexible schedule (although any full time entrepreneur knows that you will work longer hours and harder to make your business successful. It&#8217;s just more rewarding) and to make money.</p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with making a profit in your business. Making a profit is NOT price gouging. You have at least given it some serious thought as to what you are making. I hope you are remembering to include hours that you meet with the bride for consults, revisions to the photos after you deliver, money saved for emergencies: camera breaking, insurance, etc. </p>
<p>The wedding industry is changing, but some things will remain constant. For instance, we will always have a low, medium and high price range for consumers, just like any other industry. The truth is the low to medium is the bread and butter of this industry&#8230;.the higher end market is such a finite niche that MOST of us do not tap into.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebrina Schultz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebrina Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 05:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I&#039;m going to chime into this conversation about a month late in the game. But this is one of those posts that has haunted me as a &quot;new&quot; vendor. I guess my question is, as wedding vendors how much do you plan to make an hour? 

I ask this because I have set my prices (which to many veteran vendors are low) after spending many hours analyzing my overhead cost and how much I am comfortable taking home an hour. Let me explain...

I am a college trained graphic designer. In my case going to college was completely free because to be frank I am smart, got GREAT grades and had grants and scholarships that completely paid my way through school and for my professional camera equipment. I was lucky!

Where I currently live in south Texas my peak pay scale as a professional graphic designer is $11/hr. You read that right. But I am moving to Dallas so that means the average pay I can expect is $21/hr. That&#039;s before taxes, commuting expenses, cost of lunch, etc... Oh and working in the high-stress, fast-turn-around industry I&#039;m in is no picnic... but I have no choice... everyone has bills to pay.

But as a photographer I am doing something I love on my schedule. I can pick which jobs I choice to accept. And let&#039;s do the breakdown...
I charge $450 for a full day of coverage with editing. I have never worked more than 10hrs on day-of and it takes me about 10 -15hrs to edit all those images. So that&#039;s 25hrs of work max.
Let&#039;s keep in mind: my equipment is completely paid-off. My car is paid-off and gets 37/mpg so I never spend more than 5 bucks in gas. My clients pay for my meal. And my website costs me $2.50 a month. So I&#039;m bringing home $17.50/hr before taxes. 

As a life mission, I have chosen to live a life style that allows me to only work part-time so I have all the time I need for my volunteer endeavors. That&#039;s my personal decision. No matter what job I have, that&#039;s mandatory. So who has a right to complain when I am making 3 bucks less an hour doing a job I love and is relatively stress-free compared to the career I trained for. I&#039;m still doing a lot better than most people I know.

I truly believe that the wedding industry is changing. Look at now famous brides like The Broke-Ass Bride, The Budget Savvy Bride, and Sarah from 2000 Dollar Budget Wedding. They highly &quot;valued&quot; their special day and the people that made it possible but they also valued their wallets and marriages more. Those are the kind of people I like to work with. And when we look out for our clients and not gouge prices because we want a higher standard of life as &quot;professionals&quot; we get to help create a more Utopian society. And I know that the majority of my accounts have been from referrals because of this :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;m going to chime into this conversation about a month late in the game. But this is one of those posts that has haunted me as a &#8220;new&#8221; vendor. I guess my question is, as wedding vendors how much do you plan to make an hour? </p>
<p>I ask this because I have set my prices (which to many veteran vendors are low) after spending many hours analyzing my overhead cost and how much I am comfortable taking home an hour. Let me explain&#8230;</p>
<p>I am a college trained graphic designer. In my case going to college was completely free because to be frank I am smart, got GREAT grades and had grants and scholarships that completely paid my way through school and for my professional camera equipment. I was lucky!</p>
<p>Where I currently live in south Texas my peak pay scale as a professional graphic designer is $11/hr. You read that right. But I am moving to Dallas so that means the average pay I can expect is $21/hr. That&#8217;s before taxes, commuting expenses, cost of lunch, etc&#8230; Oh and working in the high-stress, fast-turn-around industry I&#8217;m in is no picnic&#8230; but I have no choice&#8230; everyone has bills to pay.</p>
<p>But as a photographer I am doing something I love on my schedule. I can pick which jobs I choice to accept. And let&#8217;s do the breakdown&#8230;<br />
I charge $450 for a full day of coverage with editing. I have never worked more than 10hrs on day-of and it takes me about 10 -15hrs to edit all those images. So that&#8217;s 25hrs of work max.<br />
Let&#8217;s keep in mind: my equipment is completely paid-off. My car is paid-off and gets 37/mpg so I never spend more than 5 bucks in gas. My clients pay for my meal. And my website costs me $2.50 a month. So I&#8217;m bringing home $17.50/hr before taxes. </p>
<p>As a life mission, I have chosen to live a life style that allows me to only work part-time so I have all the time I need for my volunteer endeavors. That&#8217;s my personal decision. No matter what job I have, that&#8217;s mandatory. So who has a right to complain when I am making 3 bucks less an hour doing a job I love and is relatively stress-free compared to the career I trained for. I&#8217;m still doing a lot better than most people I know.</p>
<p>I truly believe that the wedding industry is changing. Look at now famous brides like The Broke-Ass Bride, The Budget Savvy Bride, and Sarah from 2000 Dollar Budget Wedding. They highly &#8220;valued&#8221; their special day and the people that made it possible but they also valued their wallets and marriages more. Those are the kind of people I like to work with. And when we look out for our clients and not gouge prices because we want a higher standard of life as &#8220;professionals&#8221; we get to help create a more Utopian society. And I know that the majority of my accounts have been from referrals because of this <img src='http://saundrahadley.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: How to SELL clients when you are NEW in business &#124; saundra hadley :: get real sales coach &#38; speaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>How to SELL clients when you are NEW in business &#124; saundra hadley :: get real sales coach &#38; speaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 20:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Do not offer up discounts, because you are new. You&#8217;ve already learned not to grossly undercharge because of your newness, also don&#8217;t automatically assume that clients will want a discount. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Julie Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 02:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this!  Thank you so much for reenforcing what I already know in my heart that I need to do...RAISE MY RATES!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this!  Thank you so much for reenforcing what I already know in my heart that I need to do&#8230;RAISE MY RATES!</p>
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		<title>By: Khris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Walmart as a business model is dangerous territory. They&#039;re successful, in part, due to their ultra-high volume. As Liene pointed out, a single planner cannot produce events in the kind of volume that would provide long-term sustainability. , 

But here&#039;s more to think about when using the Walmart analogy: they source their products in China, their own work force is low-paid, they have a history of shady business practices, and - wait for it, wait for it - they just laid off 12,700 workers in January. Even the MegaCompany has to adjust to remain sustainable.

Something else at the &#039;mart: they routinely price certain items at a loss because they can make up for it with other products that are priced higher than standard mark-up. They entice you with $1.00 of peanut butter but make up for it with a $4.00 loaf of bread. If your service offerings are at peanut butter pricing you have no way of balancing or negating losses. 

Saundra is trying to help businesses make more money by pointing out common pitfalls and practices. I don&#039;t see any judgment or finger-pointing; just straight talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using Walmart as a business model is dangerous territory. They&#8217;re successful, in part, due to their ultra-high volume. As Liene pointed out, a single planner cannot produce events in the kind of volume that would provide long-term sustainability. , </p>
<p>But here&#8217;s more to think about when using the Walmart analogy: they source their products in China, their own work force is low-paid, they have a history of shady business practices, and &#8211; wait for it, wait for it &#8211; they just laid off 12,700 workers in January. Even the MegaCompany has to adjust to remain sustainable.</p>
<p>Something else at the &#8216;mart: they routinely price certain items at a loss because they can make up for it with other products that are priced higher than standard mark-up. They entice you with $1.00 of peanut butter but make up for it with a $4.00 loaf of bread. If your service offerings are at peanut butter pricing you have no way of balancing or negating losses. </p>
<p>Saundra is trying to help businesses make more money by pointing out common pitfalls and practices. I don&#8217;t see any judgment or finger-pointing; just straight talk.</p>
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